Wednesday, February 13, 2019

Emily Dickinson Museum Poetry Discussion Group, Jan 2019


Emily Dickinson Museum Poetry Discussion Group
January 18, 2019
"Emily Dickinson's White"
Leader: Ivy Schweitzer

An Exploration of Dickinson’s Iconic Color with “White Heat: Emily Dickinson in 1862: A Weekly Blog”
There is no color more connected to Dickinson than white, the color of the house dress she began wearing sometime around 1862. What does this color stand for? Innocence or spiritual/sexual purity? Coldness, snow, and the forbidding blankness of New England winters? Bones and marble, alabaster chambers, pearls, death shrouds and ghosts? Or renunciation of society? As her assumption of white clothing occurred during the years of the Civil War, we cannot ignore the meaning of white as a racial marker of class privilege and power, a category of identity that was undergoing cultural re-consolidation during this period.
The name of Ivy Schweitzer’s year-long blog project on Dickinson comes from her poem, “Dare you see a soul at the ‘White Heat?'” because it captured Dickinson’s intensity and the refining forge of creativity that characterized the year 1862 in her life. With her extensive knowledge of astronomy, Dickinson would have known that white is not so much a color as a compendium of the full spectrum of colors. We will use the White Heat blog with its sections on history, biography and poetry to explore this intriguing color.
Ivy Schweitzer is Professor of English and past chair of Women's, Gender and Sexuality Studies at Dartmouth College.

Ivy. Maybe White as an Indian Pipe would be a good one to do, because Victoria has a show-and-tell.

Victoria D.. Of all the poems that you had selected for us to read today, this is one that I had in my collection of watercolors that I did, and I'm really intrigued by the manuscript layout here compared to Franklin, and I really love the graphics of that, because I'm going to pay much more attention to that.
[White as an Indian Pipe
Red as a Cardinal Flower
Fabulous as a Moon at Noon
February Hour — ]
Ivy. Oh, good, because on the websites it's interesting; are the visuals helpful, or are they distracting? ... There are two Indian Pipe poems. There's this one, and then there's a later one, which has some variants to it.
Melba reads.
The World — stands — solemner — to me —
Since I was wed — to Him —
A modesty befits the soul
That bears another's — name —
A doubt — if it be fair — indeed —
To wear that perfect — pearl —
The Man — upon the Woman — binds —
To clasp her soul — for all —
A prayer, that it more angel — prove —
A whiter Gift — within —
To that munificence, that chose —
So unadorned — a Queen —
A Gratitude — that such be true —
It had esteemed the Dream —
Too beautiful — for Shape to prove —
Or posture — to redeem!
Everett. I love the idea of the - as she often does, turn things on their head - so I love the idea that she takes of the woman being wedded being bound, and turns it on it's head to say that that that magnificence is wonderful to be contained, or to have form; so, it's internal. So, from the outside you have this patriarchal system that owns women - blah blah, blah - and she is saying that the internal world liberates - which is a little contrary to what the culture does.
Ivy. That's a wonderful reading of the subversiveness of the inside versus the outside, in some way.
Jule. Can we relate it to white at all? What does it have to do with white?
Everett. Well, that period being untouched by the social constructs of the day. I guess you could extend it to how she felt about publication ... in it's purest form - always [inaudible] always unattainable, so it can't be saved on the page. So, that whole concept of being pure, and unpolluted by other forces. She is her own person, without reference to anything or anyone else; and she doesn't ask to have that, measured.
Ivy. I'm glad you see it as larger than the sexual purity, because everyone wants to go into that metaphor. I don't think you have to. I don't think it's necessary.
Member. Yeah, I was going to say, it's almost as if she doesn't have to prove herself to be pure and white. In other poems she's a volcano, so I think she prefers to be unadorned; she doesn't want to prove that she's a member of the patriarchy.
Ivy. So, you want to think about it as integrity, right? And, from her astronomical studies, she would have known that white contains all colors; it's not the absence of color, it's actually the simultaneous presence of all colors. So, while it looks like it's blank, I think for Dickinson it's not; it's what you're saying, it's the fullness of a kind of interiority - a private, but protected, interiority. So, do you think that this is a marriage poem? Is it literal marriage - spiritual marriage?
Victoria D.. When I think of her whiter Gift I think of her gift as a poet. Wherever that comes from - wherever those words and those artistic impulses that she puts down on paper, they're too beautiful, but there's a sense of gratitude about it. This is not something that she's posturing about. She does that sometimes in other poems, but in this one, there's this gift from which she can feel this gratitude that she recognizes is a precious perfect pearl - her words.
Ivy. And it's a religious image, you have the "pearl of great price," right? Salvation is the pearl of great price.
Victoria D.. Yes.
Ivy. But, it's also an image that she uses in very secular ways. I love that line, so unadorned a Queen. That really works with your [to Everett] reading of it: On the outside not - unadorned, relatively sparse, or, unmarked as royal, but a queen still, inside; that royalty is somehow an inner quality.
Judith. I looked up the word munificence, just to make sure it had the same understanding, and it's just "the quality or action of being lavishly generous; great generosity."
Ivy. It's interesting, you know, on the one hand we talk about the nun - the white - the purity - and then, some of the language is just the language of excess, which you don't associate with nuns, renunciation, not wanting to embrace life. So, you have both of those things going on in her poetry. It's also interesting - this is a transcript of the manuscript where the lines are broken up in really interesting ways; it's not the way you see it in Franklin - it's very different - you read it in a different way - you pause in a different way. Well, let's go to another one.
Robert reads"
A solemn thing — it was — I said —
A woman — white — to be —
And wear — if God should count me fit —
Her blameless mystery —

A hallowed thing — to drop a life
Into the purple well —
Too plummetless — that it return —
Eternity — until —

I pondered how the bliss would look —
And would it feel as big —
When I could take it in my hand —
As hovering — seen — through fog —

And then — the size of this "small" life —
The Sages — call it small —
Swelled — like Horizons — in my breast —  [vest]
And I sneered — softly — "small"!

Ivy. So, looking at the manuscript, it looks like breast was the first one, and vest is the variant. [Examines Manuscript]. It looks like breast is the first one and vest is the variant.
Member. This is a very intense poem. In Johnson he chose vest.
Ivy. No, it is interesting, and the question is, why? Did he just like it better? Or, did he think it was just more authoritative? My understanding of the variants is that, it's not like one is a second choice; this could really stand as well in this line as this other word. And they're often very different; they do different things. Like vest and breast; they rhyme, but they're very different. One is about her clothing and another is about the body.
Member. Johnson may have been avoiding the word breast, because of the social restriction at the time.
Ivy. That's really interesting. They both cover the heart, so, I'm not going to offend anybody.
Templa. Vest also gives "investiture," "investing," and all of that.
Greg. I read just recently that our terms for parts of the turkey, "drumstick," "first joint," "white meat," because the Victorians were too embarrassed to say "leg," thigh," and "breast." [laughter]
Ivy. So lascivious, those words, right? The power of language." [laughter.]
Elizabeth. I was going to go off of what Templa has said, because there is a connotation of vestments.
Ivy. Yes, there's a little bit of nun imagery - a woman in white, right? It could be a nun - it could be a bride - could be a sister of mercy - a nurse.
Everett. Breast deals more with price, while vest is more clinical - an honor kind of thing, so to me there's a clear distinction there. I can see why she would have had breast as the first choice and vest as an alternative.
Greg. It occurs to me that in breast vs. vest there also might be a masculine/feminine dichotomy there. And, I understand that white wasn't actually a bridal color until around the 1870's [in this country].
Ivy. Yes, and I thing Queen Victoria  really set the fashions there, because she wore white for her wedding; that's where the white wedding dress started. Then, of course, Albert dies in '62 and then she goes into mourning and all black.
Robert. I'm always pausing when I read A woman white to be­ - the whole racial thing. I'm wondering, to what extent did she bring a consciousness to the woman white to be, and did it bring any flavor of racial.
Ivy. Some scholars are saying that she could not, as a woman in her time, she could not have been untouched by racialized discourse and attitudes around her. The question is, what was her attitude? Again, as a kind of elite woman in an upper-class family, at a time when white was being consolidated as an identity. I mean, everything we're hearing today about white supremacy and white nationalism really gets going in the 1840s, 50s, and 60s. It's all kind of happening, but it's in flux. Dickinson, I think, never put things down as absolute. Her genius is to make everything processional and dynamic. It's always about "choosing not choosing;" she chooses not to choose. She makes a choice, and it's not choosing - it's to leave things open and dynamic and alive.
Susan. One of the things that strikes me about this poem is how edgy it is. There's irony everywhere; if God should count me fit - what's he doing counting her at all?´" if God should count me fit" - it sounds humble, but it's not; A timid thing to drop a life/ Into the mystic well [Susan is reading Dickinson's variants into the line.] Too plummetless - I don't know anybody else who uses this word, but, it's a plummetless word. There was a terrible suicide in Amherst, when the wife of a neighbor killed herself by jumping into a well. Emily referred to it as particularly distressing, and of course, you jump into a well and you die, because it is plummetless. But then - this whole business of measuring - being measured, being evaluated, and there is another edge in how the bliss would look ... When I could take it in my hand; not my heart, but my hand. Is that another person's hand? Is it a ring? As hovering seen through fog; In other words, it's not real yet - it's a shape. And, the last stanza is amazing to me because of all the S sounds. Who are these Sages? Are they the same people who are measuring her - finding her wanting? If she can carry Horizons in her breast, then, she ain't small. But those Ss', which you associate with the snake.
Ivy. Exactly. That was my first thinking, yeah. ... And also the sea - that sinuous - could be more oceanic. But I think you're right. There's something so resistant about this - resistant, and claiming that maybe this space looks small from the outside, but on the inside it's plummetless, or limitless.
[Interlude]
Listen to this [reading]. This poem struck a discordant note with Dickinson's first editor Mable Loomis Todd, who was always concerned with the salability of Dickinson's and the protection of her reputation. In the Poems 1896, the third collection, she gave this poem it's title, "Wedded," to what Martha Nell Smith called "a culturally blasphemous poem." And to make that stick, Mable cut out the last two stanzas! where the speaker grows powerful and sneers at the sages who dared to see her life as small. That's really interesting. I think that gives support to your [Susan] interpretation.
Susan. That sneer - that's always driven a little dagger ...
Ivy. Yes. But I love this idea of the Horizons - the scale - and then the small. What really constitutes scale here? So, let's go to another one.
Greg reads.
Of Tribulation, these are They,
Denoted by the White—
The Spangled Gowns, a lesser Rank
Of Victors—designate—

All these—did conquer—
But the ones who overcame most times—
Wear nothing commoner than Snow—
No Ornament, but Palms—

Surrender—is a sort unknown—
On this superior soil—
Defeat—an outgrown Anguish—
Remembered, as the Mile

Our panting Ancle barely passed—
When Night devoured the Road—
But we—stood whispering in the House—
And all we said—was "Saved"!
[ To hear this poem read aloud, go to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-i8oOQBNJw ]
Ivy. She included this poem in her July 1862 letter to Thomas Wentworth Higginson, where she called attention to the misspelling of ankle, and more importantly where she explains that the I in her poems was a "supposed person." So that's really interesting to think about - that this poem is involved in that denial these poems are auto biographical. Emily Seelbinder has written about this poem and writes that it borrows heavily from the Book of Revelation, Chapter 7.
"And one of the elders answered, saying unto me, What are these which are arrayed in white robes? and whence came they? And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb."
So, it's that kind of imagery of people who have suffered much, and who have come through it, and are now part of the "saved." So, Emily Seelbinder goes on to point out that the poem puts "emphasis on other-worldliness - of the inversion of earthly signs and spiritual signs, and the transformation of earthly grief into heavenly triumph. We should not the demotion of spangled gowns at the end to a lesser rank than the white robes of the righteous."
[Interlude]
Whenever the syntax gets gnarly, I think there's tension there, there's issues there.
Greg. It is hymn meter, though.
Ivy. It is hymn meter. Oh yeah. You could sing it.
Greg. The idea of the speaker of this poem being saved recalls your quote that, "When I state myself as the representative of the poem, I do not mean me, but a supposed person."
Ivy. And just because it's a supposed person doesn't mean it doesn't have elements of the poet. But I had to really train my students to talk about "the speaker. "Because, what about the poems where she speaks in the voice of a young boy? But we really have to separate ourselves from the speaker.
Greg. "We were all boys once, as Mrs. Partington says," she writes in a letter.
Ivy. So, is she imagining people marching off to salvation? I never thought about connecting this to soldiers. "My eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the Lord." They're marching off to salvation. And we know that the rhetoric in the newspapers was that we need to have a blood purging because of the sin of slavery. Blood has to flow. People have to die because we have to somehow cleanse the country, the nation, of the sin. So, this could be patriots marching off to a kind of national salvation. ... And also, a panting ancle! I think it's a biblical thing.
Greg. It's in Acts, and that's the English spelling.
Ivy. Does anyone here read Vendler. I often go to her, because she catches alot of the illusions.
Melba. It's the same image that you get in the end of "I started early - took my dog." That poem ends: And He - He followed - close behind -/ I felt His Silver Heel/ Upon my Ancle - Then my Shoes/ Would overflow with Pearl. So, the water sort of clutching at the ankle and spilling into the shoe, carrying her forward into the town - very similar.
Ivy. And she spells it the same way. Look at that. And then we have the pearl there. It's interesting when we start to put these poems together you start to see the same words being used - solemn, pearl. we're getting that ancle, right? So that connects the sea with the serpent, in a way. It's a figure of temptation, perhaps. Let's have somebody read the next poem.
Claire reads.
It sifts from Leaden Sieves --
It powders all the Wood.
It fills with Alabaster Wool
The Wrinkles of the Road --

It makes an Even Face
Of Mountain, and of Plain --
Unbroken Forehead from the East
Unto the East again --

It reaches to the Fence --
It wraps it Rail by Rail
Till it is lost in Fleeces --
It deals Celestial Vail

To Stump, and Stack -- and Stem --
A Summer's empty Room --
Acres of Joints, where Harvests were,
Recordless, but for them--

It Ruffles Wrists of Posts
As Ankles of a Queen --
Then stills its Artisans -- like Ghosts --
Denying they have been -- 
- J311/Fr291/M248

[ To hear this poem read aloud, to to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QN_HewbUYwE]

Ivy. It's a poem about snow, and it references Emerson's amazing poem "The Snow Storm." Announced by all the trumpets of the sky,
Arrives the snow, and, driving o'er the fields,
Seems nowhere to alight: the whited air
Hides hills and woods, the river, and the heaven,
And veils the farm-house at the garden's end.
The sled and traveller stopped, the courier's feet
Delayed, all friends shut out, the housemates sit
Around the radiant fireplace, enclosed
In a tumultuous privacy of storm.
And apparently she wrote down that phrase, "In a tumultuous privacy of storm" somewhere. That is a great line. " The frolic architecture of the snow" [Last line of Emerson's poem, not read loud here.] You can just see what she's doing here.
[Interlude]
Victoria D. reads.
Dare you see a Soul at the White Heat?
Then crouch within the door—
Red—is the Fire's common tint—
But when the vivid Ore
Has vanquished Flame's conditions,
It quivers from the Forge
Without a color, but the light
Of unannointed Blaze.
Least Village has its Blacksmith
Whose Anvil's even ring
Stands symbol for the finer Forge
That soundless tugs—within—
Refining these impatient Ores
With Hammer, and with Blaze
Until the Designated Light
Repudiate the Forge—
                                  - J365/Fr401/M214
[ To hear this poem read aloud, go to https://youtu.be/fdj9PRqx_Tk ]
Ivy. I chose this for the title of this project because I wanted something from this year at the height of her creativity - white heat. Everything just purified out by the blaze that [inaudible] the creativity. Now, people have different interpretations. Not everybody interprets this as about poetry, but that's how I read it, and I wanted to respond to that call, Dare you see a Soul at the White Heat?/ Then crouch within the door -what does that mean - to crouch within the door? Is the speaker here protecting us from the heat, saying don't come to close? Just come to the door frame, and don't come into the room because you're going to get burnt, is that what she's saying?
Greg. It's the blacksmith's place isn't it? You're not supposed to get too close.
Ivy. We know that door frames were very important to Dickinson, right? They're these kind of images of access - liminal, like windows and door frames - places where you go in and out - they're the threshold. So, they're very interesting places. Lots of things are happening at door frames. And, we know that she would stand outside a door, or be within the door frame to listen to people visiting in the parlor.
Claire. And just the rhythm - the stanzas. You feel like you're watching a blacksmith at work. She brings you right in with her.
Ivy. I've never thought of it, but the word blacksmith has the word black in it. We all know what a blacksmith is, but words were words for Dickinson. They all resonated in all their many, many shadows and inferences, so we can't ignore that the poem about the white head has the word black in it - the shadow, the opposite, the dark.
Greg. When she sent this to Colonel Higginson, she identified it as "Cupid's Sermon." ... so there's some white heat for ya.
Ivy. My comment talks about what it is it be anointed. According to Dickinson's Webster's, if means to be prepared or consecrated by oil ... was of high antiquity. "Kings, prophets and priests were set apart or consecrated to their offices by the use of oil. Hence the peculiar application of the term anointed, to Jesus Christ." But her blaze here is unannointed - unconsecrated by a higher power. [reading from Ivy's blog [Reading from the blog, https://journeys.dartmouth.edu/whiteheat/dare-you-see-a-soul-f401a-j-365/ ] : " What this definition does not specify is who authorizes or does the anointing – in the case of prophets, kings, priests and Jesus, it is God. To be “unannointed” (notice that Dickinson spells it with two n’s) means to be unconsecrated or not authorized by God or a higher power. Thus, the white heat and the white, rather than red, light of this forge is not authorized by a divine or outside force, but from within the soul or mind of the speaker, the “finer forge” of the second stanza." It becomes a metaphor, I think. The finer forge, a kind of spiritual blacksmith shop.
Victoria. It sounds like a heartbeat. You can tug at heartstrings, and it's soundless, and that would make the hammer in the next stanza the heart. And, I think the blaze might still be the soul.
Ivy. So this would work with the Sermon.
Victoria D. Yeah, I think Cupid's Sermon, and the heart, the passion, the heart beating, and then an unannointed blaze would be an unauthorized passion. I dig this! Wow!
Ivy. And then look at the other word I talk about is designate. Until the Designated Light/
Repudiate the Forge. She seems to be saying, you get the hammer and the blaze, but this light is going to be so intense that it doesn't need the forge anymore. [Reading from blog] " But in the stunning final lines, the process of refinement or purification gets so intense that it produces a “Designated Light” that can altogether repudiate (dismiss, renounce) the forge, the physical shaping process, and perhaps symbols altogether. This specially distinguished light can be seen as a positive form of the “unannounced Blaze,” less ritualistic and more administrative, earthly, and the extremest form of purified, self-authorized white. It’s hard not to hear “ors,” as in choices or contradictions or refusals to choose, in the word “Ores,” which are first “vivid” and then “impatient,” longing for purification." Sop, when somebody is designated, often you designate a substitute - something that stands in for something else. The other pun, I thought would be intersted in developing is the word Ore also implies "or" - that is, choices. So, Refining these impatient Ores - there could be a double entendre there.
Susan. Designated is interesting, because it's got a contradiction, because it's got "desgign," and it's got de-singned, and then the signs are taken away.
Ivy. And, unanointed is such a weird word, so when we're looking for other un words, it's the undoing, right? - the negative, the not.
Melba. Designated goes, too, to those who are anointed. ... and if the heart is the forge, then ultimately she's doing that very Dickinsonian thing and gesturing toward the end. when the sould escapes the body. The body is repudiated.
Victoria D. So this is a passion that transcends the physical.
Ivy. So, whether it's love, whether it's poetry, it transcends the physical.
Elizabeth. I love the idea of the soul being at the white heat, because it would be a moment of extreme power, in that it could be blinding and it also recalls Biblical imagery of people not being able to look at the face of God [crosstalk] but it's also a moment of extreme vulnerability and malleability, because if something is at white heat it can be formed. It can be made. It does really speak to the feeling of love, a complete vulnerability that you might have in forming an inner relationship between yourself and someone or something else.

Ivy. And also violence, because the blacksmith is pounding the metal into shape.
Melba. I keep wanting to go with connotation of danger, because Dickinson really likes passages in Shakespeare where she talks about the passion that feeds on itself - and she'll go back to those passages with Anthony and Cleopatra, and in Hamlet. I just remember the old flame tests that we used to do in chemistry class, where you'd stick something in the flame and it would blaze with a particular color. The unanointed Blaze seems to me to be a thing that feeds almost on itself. It's almost just consuming the air around it.
Claire. She first gives us the red, and then it's burnt off. All those other elements are burnt off.
Ivy. And she says it's soundless. So, she doesn't want us to hear the ring. I want to hear the ringing of the hammer and the anvil, but she says it's soundless.
Victoria D. Well, that would be like - you can't hear someone's heart beating, but it sounds very loud within. You can feel it.
Ivy. Yes, if you're really attuned to it. ... I want to go on to the next poem in this cluster, which is really the climax. Mine by the Right of the White Election - and this is a poem we should read standing up, you know what I mean? [laughter] - because it's such a delerious poem! I love these moments in Dickinson, like "Wild Nights," right? The delerium in Dicksinson - I love them. So, anybody want to do a delerious reading?
A member reads:
Mine — by the Right of the White Election!
Mine — by the Royal Seal!
Mine — by the Sign in the Scarlet prison —
Bars — cannot conceal!

Mine — here — in Vision — and in Veto!
Mine — by the Grave's Repeal —
Tilted — Confirmed —
Delirious Charter!
Mine — long as Ages steal!
Ivy. It's just a series of exclamations. And we've got the white and the red here, like the last poem. Some people interpret this as the scarlet letter. Actually, this is Hester speaking, in some way. That's an interesting connection. It's 1862. And, this was published in the first collection of poems, in 1890. I guess Mabel liked it.
Victoria D. Did she try to give it a title?
Ivy. I'm sure she did. Let's go look at it and see what the title is ... It's called, guess what - "Mine!" [laughter]
Susan. I understood that it was Higginson who wanted the titles, and some of his titles were real bow-wow. [laughter] [crosstalk] It's like a judge's gavel coming down.
Ivy. But, does anyone hear like posessiveness in this? But then you have to put it in the context of in these times did women own themselves, or that women had the right to themselves?
Elizabeth. It's like "Title divine is Mine!"
Ivy. "Title divine is Mine!" is a little earliker than this. But yes, that's another one. It doesn't have the white in it.
Elizabeth. It has red - garnet to garnet.
Ivy reads.
Title divine — is mine!
The Wife — without the Sign!
Acute Degree — conferred on me —
Empress of Calvary!
Royal — all but the Crown!
Betrothed — without the swoon
God sends us Women —
When you — hold — Garnet to Garnet —
Gold — to Gold —
Born — Bridalled — Shrouded —
In a Day —
Tri Victory
"My Husband" — women say —
Stroking the Melody —
Is this — the way?

               - j1072/Fr 194/M701
Yeah, I think they're related.
Member. I think if you look at the word mine, you have to think about the other meaning for the word, and going beyond the possessive to the imperitive, amd the digging for ore, the mining for ore.
Ivy. She's go so many poems about titles, queens, empresses, degree. Betsy Erkkila writes an article - a very controversial article - "Emily Dickinson and Class," where she argues that all these references amount to an obsession with the old world of noblesse oblige and courts and queens and kings, and that she hasn't somehow gotten past 1776 where we're now in a democratic republic, and she's not down with the, kind of, democracy - even though she talks about the democracy of death - "Oh democratic Death!" I never saw it that way. I always saw it as her way of trying to assume a kind of royalty that she gave herself.
Member. I think it's her feminist sovereignty
Ivy. Right, exactly. I never saw it politically.
Member. It was politial too, but, I don't know if she ever read Margaret Fuller, but Margaret Fuller famously used "queen" in her poetry to mean the woman in herself - powerful within erself. And, I would expect that Emily had that same connotation.
Melba. That's true, because Emerson used "king" and "kingship" as metaphors for self-reliance. So, it makes sense that Fuller would pull off "queen."
Ivy. What do we think about Mine here in Vision and in Veto" What's the Veto about? That makes it political, right? That's a political word. Mine by the Grave's Repeal. She talks about God's "repealless list" when she's talking about the dead of the Civil War.
Victoria D. If I think of "mine" as a noun - as the mine that's at the depth of her poetic gift, then that kind of shifts everything for me. In 1091, the poem "To own the Art within the Soul," at the end she calls it As an Estate perpetual/ Or a reduceless Mine. The gold, the riches are hers. So, that question you asked about the word Veto, and also Titled, as Susan was saying about the judge's gavel - the legaleze in this - it just seems like the possession off this treasure, and "I got that by the right of the white election" or, by Royal Seal. This treasure trove is mine. By the Scarlet prison I keep thinking that that's by the heart-work that she's done, or something to do with her heart. You can have all the Bars of a prison, but they can't keep that away from me.
Melba. She may feel delerious - she may say, "I've conferred it all on myself. I've voted myself the monarch of my own domain. [crosstalk]
Ivy. People have connected to Puritan notions of election, and you get a white stone - Ann Bradstreet said you get a white stone, you get a crown, you get white robes washed in the blood of the lamb, and then you're part of the elect. This is the language that she grew up with, but she's taking it and doing amazing things with it - making it work for her own personal, complicated symbol system.
Bruce. I was going to say something about the Puritan aspect. Election is something that's not in your control. This is something that's determined before your birth, though there are visible signs of invisible grace, but here the election she confers upon herself.
Melba. And she's redefined the White election, too, in the previous poem. She says "My soul has been refined. I've refined the ore out of it.


Friday, January 18, 2019

Emily Dickinson International Society, Amherst Chapter, September 2018


Emily Dickinson International Society, Amherst Chapter, September 2018
Fascicle 6 Sheet 4
Facilitated by Lois Kackley



Robert reads.
I bring an unaccustomed wine
To lips long parching
Next to mine,
And summon them to drink;

Crackling with fever, they Essay,
I turn my brimming eyes away,
And come next hour to look.

The hands still hug the tardy glass —
The lips I would have cooled, alas —
Are so superfluous Cold —

I would as soon attempt to warm
The bosoms where the frost has lain
Ages beneath the mould —

Some other thirsty there may be
To whom this would have pointed me
Had it remained to speak —

And so I always bear the cup
If, haply, mine may be the drop
Some pilgrim thirst to slake —

If, haply, any say to me
"Unto the little, unto me,"
When I at last awake.
                - J132/Fr126/M83

Adrianna reads.
He ate and drank the precious Words —
His Spirit grew robust —
He knew no more that he was poor,
Nor that his frame was Dust —

He danced along the dingy Days
And this Bequest of Wings
Was but a Book — What Liberty
A loosened spirit brings —
                  - J1587/Fr1593/M641

Lois. OK, does anyone, off the top of your head, see anything connecting these two poems?

Greg M. Well - there's a draft of something being drunk in each one.

Lois. OK. So, for Dickinson, lovers, gods, faith, death, alot of objects in Dickinson's world of object relationships - I think of "Dear March - come in!" - that conversation with nothing less than than the wind - in her world, all these things come up short except the book, and we'll go so far as to say literature, so that we can include poetry. On the face of it this poem is a little difficult to get, but I would like to throw out to you the possibility that in this first poem, even though it's blatant in the second poem, in the first poem my sense is - like Greg picked up - the drink connection. The person - the being - to whom she s bringing this unacustomed wine may be the unread, or the illiterate. The contrast I'm drawing here is the one who's unacustomed to literature, and poetry, and her effort to introduce it as she experiences. Because, unlike other objects in her world, [inaudible] achieve all and more of what she expects. What do you think about that?

Victoria. I like the second-to-last stanza in that first poem; If, haply, mine may be the drop/ Some pilgrim thirst to slake — So, it's that person. When she uses the word pilgrim, this person you're talking about is someone who's seeking. And, her words, her poetry, could be a vehicle for finding what this person is seeking, needing. A pilgrim is someone who goes on a path, and there's a spiritual need which her poetry seems to fill for a lot of people. I'm not talking religious at all.

Lois. All humans have a metaphysical hunger.

Judith. Those last few lines sort of project her immortality - in a way, that we become the pilgrims.

Lois. Yeah - what else do pilgrims connotate?

Greg D. Pilgrim's Progress. Allegory. You're saying spiritual journey, but also, in Pilgrim's Progress it's a journey to some previously existing high moral goodness of some kind. I don't think that's what Dickinson's about at all. She's doing it ironically, or secretly.

Lois. Right -but the pilgrim is seeking here, right?

Margaret. She's quoting from the Bible here, isn't she? Unto the little, unto me. What is the whole quote from the Bible?

Victoria. Matthew 25:40. "Inasmuch as ye have done it unto the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."

Greg D. Well, this is from 1859, so it's still considered early Dickinson, isn't it? Whereas the other one is definitely late - 1882. So, if she was already talking about something more literary, which she certainly seems to be in the later poem, early on, that kind of changes one's thinking alot about her poetic process and her maturity at that level.

Lois. In what way?

Greg D. If she was writing more about just someone dying and some of her thoughts about this side or that side of death, which seems to be what's going on in this poem, something else, she hasn't really - to me - succeeded, because we can read it that way, but there's no real clues for doing that. Whereas later on it's pretty clear - and I'm not saying a poem has to be clear; in fact, some of Dickinson's most interest ing ones are the ones that are totally mysterious. I guess I'm saying one can read this in different ways, but what is there in here that makes one want to read it differently? - read it differently than - maybe I'm the only one that sees this poem as pretty much about a dying person. So, if it's about something else - symbolic or allegorical or metaphor - then I would look for some clue that that's what's going on here. I can only do that speculatively - which is OK, but I'm not sure what you're seeing.

Lois. Which is one of the reasons that when I began to see this poem this way, I selected this poem because it's much more obvious. In fact, in this poem books can make you forget that you're poor; I mean, it cures everything but the common cold.

Greg D. I'd like to see it also literarily, as you're doing, but also imagine that she's talking about per poetry writing and that her poetry isn't really accepted or understood by anybody.

Lois. Absolutely. She didn however draw enormous inspiration from books like Shakespeare, the Brontes.

Margaret. And what about the the use of haply, because I hear something regarding Shakespeare, because that's one of the lines that I remember so well from Shakespeare, "Haply, my friend, I think on thee." And, I'm wondering if haply means happily, or it just have happen.

Greg M. It just may happen.

Victoria. That's a great word, isn't it?

Greg M. We should incorporate that in our daily speach. "Haply I shall see thee anon." [laughter]

Greg D. That would be great. It probably wasn't used in Amherst so it probably does come out of Shakespeare or something like that.

Judith. I think that for me the clue that this is not about a dying person is that last stanza.

Lois. Or, dying perhaps spiritually. Because Dickinson would have viewed someone who lacked access to books and poetry as dying spiritually, would she not?

Judith. Yeah, she pretty much says that in here, doesn't she?

Adrianna. And she the person - He knew no more that he was poor - that terminology, and here, Unto the little - the little being the least, because that person didn't have the spirituality from the book for inspiration.

Margaret. And also the last lines, When I at last awake, 'cause here she is that she's actually asleep in life, right? Is she? I mean what is she saying?

Lois. [laughing] Right, what is she saying?

Greg M. I was reading that as subjunctive; in other words, if I ever come to this point. If, when my time comes, if any say to me -

Greg D. In the sense maybe that - it could mean that when I at last that I could wake up, or something like that. [general agreement]

Lois. Very nice. Yeah, because I think early readers, whether they're children or discover the power of books as an adult, there's that sense of awakening. My God! They realize all of a sudden they're being nurtured in a way that they hadn't before. And, the second thought is, God, there are more of these! [laughs]

Victoria. A loosened spirit seems to me what awake is.

Lois. Very nice, yes.

Margaret. But it's also, I think, the afterlife - the Second Awakening that was going on.

Lois. It forms her thinking.

Margaret. Yes, and they were thinking of, I guess, an awakening in mortal life, but in some religious sense. In Catholicism we believe that that's the true awakening, when you die. That is when you're fully alive.

Greg D. Well, that idea of the liberty of a loosened spirit is a major theme, I think, in Dickinson, in many different ways.

Judith. Well, I also think of that When I at last awake as she is awakening to her own power. This is 1859 - she hadn't contacted Higginson yet, but as she's making these fascicle, she's awakenining to something - in her own life.

Los. Well, I've always loved that phrase about Browning, that she "made the dark look beautiful." I think that's the darkness that she felt when no one shared her passion, and on a certain level she thought for a long time that she had to accept this darkness of feeling isolated with no one to share, or feel that anyone else had this passion, and one of the reasons I love it is that it not only testifies to her own awakening, but it also links us to her predecessors as writers, and her realization of her debt to them.

Victoria. Dingy Days. She had dingy days. [laughter] It's like dark days, when she - or He - whoever this other person is.

Judith. It's interesting she uses the male pronoun there. She often writes about her soul in the masculine.

Victoria. Mmhmm. Or it doesn't matter.

Judith. Or, that's part of her.

Victoria. I mean, the sexual identity doesn't matter.

Lois. Well, one final thought that occurred to me when I was looking at these two poems together. even though He ate and drank the precious Words is more blatant, I want to say this early poem almost better illustrates Dickinson's aggressive re-definitionof cultural orthodoxy, which we come in contact with throughout the poetry, if we read it that way, and Greg, I think, is in some doubt, but if you read it that way - whereas in that other poem it's just a flat-out statement, in the first poem she's really playing with religious terms and supplanting them with the gifts of literature.

Judith. This was two years before she died - she's sort of saying "Whatcha got to lose?" [laughter].

Lois. Yeah, to take your point, she's kind of gotten over her argument with traditional religion. More confident there. But, in the first poem she's really kind of being more subtle, and maybe not as confident, but she's also more willing to redefine what is spiritually meaningful - which would have been frowned upon, which is a good reason to make it a little more opaque.

Greg D. She's certainly putting herself in that stance in this poem, but I don't think she comes to any conclusions by any means. What would be unorthodox about it is that she's questioning.

Robert. From the point of view of appreciation, I just love He ate and drank the precious Words. I say to myself, "joyous poem, that poetically captures that sense of freedom as you read - as you bring in the poetry. And that first one - I hear what people are saying - but I can't see myself ever reading it again. It just doesn't grab me as a poem.

Lois. It makes you work, doesn't it?

Robert. From an historical point of view, I see how it helps toward understanding.

Judith. When I read this poem I thought about the unaccustomed wine as being some kind of medicine at first, and then I think, OK, what's she really talking about? [laughter]. If she writes in metaphor, what am I missing here, and I actually appreciate the process that she goes through in this poem, of reaching that awakening. You can almost go with her through that process.

Greg D. It's also been looked at as being about physical love - sexuality and so on - with lips long parching next to mine -

Judith. Kiss me, honey! [laughter]

Greg D. I turn my brimming eyes away, And come next hour to look - Ah, now things have cooled off. [laughter]

Victoria. I was wondering if the wine was part of the communion. That crackling with fever, that longing that the people who were part of the religious revivals that came through town - they really got people whipped up to a fever about finding Christ and being born again.

Greg D. So, you're saying that it might be a commentary on her dealing with the Second Great Awakening, and so the unacustomed wine would be whatever she's bringing to the thing.

Margaret. I loved your comment about the process, and there is that regret, right? that she didn't do what she should have done; it's a process that she's reforming herself, right? in the whole story.

Lois. I was curious about that, because it didn't just jump out at me.

Victoria. Where do you see regret?

Margaret. The lips I would have cooled, alas - She should have gotten there earlier, she says.

Lois. So, she's engaging herself, she's not just delivering a message. She's really engaged with his suffer, if you will.

Greg M. And so I always bear the cup.

Margaret. And so, she's really learned something that she wants to tell us about.

Judith. It's really good bringing these two poems together. It's really fascinating.

Lois. Well, we've said all along that part of the interest of these early poems is seeing themes - precursors to later, more complex, poems, and I thought it would be helpful to just lay 'em out there.

Victoria. I think that's very useful, because - we will never get through all of these [laughter]. So, to fold in these later poems and make the comparison ...

Lois. Alright, who would like to read "As Children?"

Victoria reads.
As Children bid the Guest "Good Night"
And then reluctant turn—
My flowers raise their pretty lips—
Then put their nightgowns on.

As children caper when they wake
Merry that it is Morn—
My flowers from a hundred cribs
Will peep, and prance again.
                              - J133/Fr127/M84

            ******

Delight becomes pictorial
When viewed through pain,--
More fair, because impossible
That any gain.

The mountaln at a given distance
In amber lies;
Approached, the amber flits a little,--
And that's the skies! 
                    - J572/Fr539/M295

Lois. OK, why are these two together. Well, they're both a species of definition poems. Dickinson has a number of types of poems that give us definitions. Jed Deppman calls her "that other Amherst lexicographer," comparing her to Webster. And, these two poems use opposing terms that are interdependent in comparison and contrast. So she's comparing and contrasting  in this first poem Children and flowers - Night time and merry - and just a little less easy to get, in terms of their definition than the additional, second poem. Now, in that poem, what is she defining?

Greg D. I don't know if she's defining anything. They're comparing. I would call them comparison poems, unless you say definition by comparison.

Lois. Right, exactly. She's comparing and contrasting in order to define.

Greg D. Pain and pleasure, I guess. Really, coming around to saying that they're not that different in a larger context. It's almost like undefining them.

Robert. Well for me - the Delight poem - it's kind of the passing nature of delight. As soon as you obtain delight, it's lost. Longing is always greater than when delight actually arrives.

Lois. OK, what is delight similiar to, in this poem; the mountain, right? Both of them to what, just as you're saying, Robert?

Robert. Delight is similiar to the mountain viewed at a distance, with amber beauty. Approach it closely, and it's just sky.

Lois. OK, so she's using the mountain, and you're more familiar, or you're more pictorial, if you will, understanding of the difference in the mountain at a distance as opposed to when you're up close to the mountain. And delight is the same way, right? More fair, just like when you approach the mountain, the amber flits, just like delight is more fair because it's impossible to gain. It's a much more complex poem than the previous.

Greg D. I read it a little bit differently, that first stanza. Delight becomes pictorial - pictorial to me in a sense of - like an illustration, so therefore kind of derivative, sort of a copy - pretty, or almost fake. When viewed through pain - so, you're happy, you have pleasure and so on; then you see it through that darker, more painful feeling; then all of that, happiness and stuff seems kind of distant, and sort of fake. And, when she says More fair, I think she means, or even more importantly or even further, in stead of, daylight doesn't become more fair, but more fair daylight becomes - viewed through pain delight or pleasure becomes impossible That any gain. It's like when you're feeling depressed there's no way out. That's just the first stanza. So, I think it's a way of looking at one emotional state through another, and in the second stanza it seems like putting both of those states into a landscape picture, and looking at it from a distance, you've got a mountain in amber, it's all lit, it's distant. You go a little closer, the light changes, the skies. It's almost like everything becomes more equinimitous - equal, anyway. So, it's almost like looking from this side and looking at that side at feeling.

Margaret. For me, Delight becomes pictorial means that you can actually - it actually becomes visual and tactile, almost. It's a feeling, which is amorphous, right? But pain is more specific. Pain is like the mountain that you can see in front of you, and Delight is like the skies, which are enormous - indefinable, almost. Anyway, I'm looking at as different thought about pictorial - as something you can see; and experience, and it's a good thing, and not fake.

Greg D. Like vivid?

Margaret. Yeah vivid, that's it.

Lois. Well, if it's pictorial, contrast it seems would be at a distance.Becoming pictorial is the same as something becoming at a distance. No?

Victoria. No, I don't think so. I think pictorial means it becomes more clear, more visually - you're more able to view it.

Lois. Well,, if you're in pain the idea of delight is a goal, but it's not something you feel. You can't. Pain is the antithesis of delight. You can't feel those two things at the same time; you can't experience fully delight -

Greg. Unless you're into certain stuff. [laughter]

Judith. Yeah, and she starts actually froim a state of pain in this poem, it seems to me. And then the light comes along, but it's not as close as the pain was.

Lois. You want the light. It's all you want, if you're in pain. But, you can't gain it. It's a picture. [crosstalk]
It's kind of like the poem "Success is counted sweetest/ By those whon ne'r succeed." That poem is not so hard to grasp. This one is not so easy.

Robert. This Delight poem reminds me of another delight poem I really like, Fr1375

Delight's Despair at setting
Is that Delight is less
Than the sufficing Longing
That so impoverish.

That same sense of delight being evanescent. The longing to get there, and the sense of "Oh, this is so exciting," is lost once you get there.

Lois. Oh, yeah, yeah - they're incompatible in the sense that you can't experience them both at the same time. In fact, you could even reverse this. You could say, "Pain becomes pictorial when viewed through delight."

Burleigh. To me, both of those stanzas are about perspective, about how you see something.

Lois. Well, it's really not necessary to define them, but she couldn't resist [laughs]. Gain in this poem I think is just something you can obtain. It's impossible to gain delight, even though you haven't forgotten it.

Victoria. Because of the pain.

Lois. Yes.

Greg M. Does she gain anything in the last line?

Victoria. That's the skies.

Robert. The skies.

Greg M. Pow! It's unexpected, isn't it? You're expecting it to say, well, you get closer to the mountain and it's no big deal, but - it's kind of what she does in the first line, and it's such a theme of hers, to say that anticipation is always greater, but she pulls the rug out from under us with the skies; it's so unexpected.

Robert. Are the skies a disappointment or an attainment?

Greg M. No, they're beautiful - wide - great.

Robert. They're not amber!

Victoria. The delight is always there - I'm trying to build on what Greg is saying - the delight is always there - it's just always there,  in the skies - and the pain may make it seem as thought it's impossible to feel - and this is where I'm not so sure [laughs] about those last three lines - but then at the end it's just like you were saying, Greg - it's like Pow. It's there. lt's always there. You just can't see it through the pain, and you feel like you'll never get to see it, but then ...

Greg Darms. I think that the sky, in terms of landscape painting at least, is what I'm talking about by a larger context. All the landscape is there, but the sky is there, and so all the pain and delight are in that some larger context.

Victoria. Oh yeah, I can see that - in that bigger composition of life the mountain looks really big, but if you go to paint, the sky is going to be so much more to try to capture. ... I'm also wondering about that word amber - not as just a color word - but amber is a resinous type of material, a natural material ...

Greg D. Fossils. Insects drown in amber and then you can see them millions of years later.

Victoria. Exactly. So, there's something about that In amber lies where pain is fixed in amber. It seems like that's not going to go anywhere.

Greg M. Yeah, that's a cliche' now, almost. To say that George Washington's memory lies in amber is to says that we've preseved our fine image of him in amber and forgotten about the rest, like that slavery stuff. [44:41]