Tuesday, July 5, 2016

EDIS Amherst Chapter 25 June 2016

Emily Dickinson International Society, Amherst Chapter  Poetry Conversation
Facilitated by Lois Kackley
25 June 2016


Jeff reads.
A Dew sufficed itself --
And satisfied a Leaf
And felt "how vast a destiny" --
"How trivial is Life!"

The Sun went out to work --
The Day went out to play
And not again that Dew be seen
By Physiognomy

Whether by Day Abducted
Or emptied by the Sun
Into the Sea in passing
Eternally unknown

Attested to this Day
That awful Tragedy
By Transport's instability
And Doom's celerity.
                 - J1437/Fr1372/M519

[ To hear this poem read aloud, go to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40bNXsP-RcM ]

Lois. Well, the first thing that I notice in this poem is something we’ve spent quite a bit of time with when we were looking at Cristanne’s [Miller] A Poet’s Grammar, the shocking attribution of emotion in one of the smallest visible aspects of nature, a drop of dew. To attribute such extraordinary emotion to such a finite point of nature – with the naked eye you couldn’t get much smaller than a dew. And the contrast in that minute element with the broad and deep emotion conveyed is part of her genius. The poem I read on Robert Burns, where he talks as if he is –“Sing on, sweet thrush, upon the leafless bough” – even in this, as we were talking about, it’s not so unusual for a poet to see her fate in an aspect of nature … but Dickinson goes several steps further when she attribute the extraordinary emotions to an element of nature that is not even sentient. Any thoughts on that as a technique in this poem before we get into other aspects of it?

Harrison. She insists on taking the smallest element and treating it as an individual, not just one of many identical ones. “I wish I were a Hay.” [ from The Grass so little has to do].

Victoria. In that poem she elevates the dew to the realm of pearls that are so fine that a duchess wouldn’t be ashamed of wearing them. So there’s an elevation of this microscopic H2O to something magnified to something royal, important.

Harrison. She associates that royal elevation with the afterlife. “Wait til the majesty of death.” Sometimes something low in position becomes something important.

Jeff. It also starts out the poem with a wonderful sense of playfulness. Attributing to a dew this pretentiousness and self-satisfaction. A Dew sufficed itself. This silly little drop of water with all this grand …

Greg. Wow. I took it really seriosly.

Jeff. Oh, you did?

Greg. Yeah. [laughs nervously]

Lois. In what way?

Greg. “how vast a destiny" - "How trivial is Life!" The universe in microcosm. It’s real. Wow, that’s a different take on it.

Lois. Well, I don’t think it’s either/or, I think it’s both/and.

Greg. I hate it when people say that. [laughter]

Lois. Well, it’s both playful and profound is what I mean.

Victoria, Yeah, yeah.

Greg. Yeah, but is the dew being self-satisfied and vain? Is that what she really put in here?

Lois. Yeah, however -

Harrison. It’s also accurate.

Lois. Accurate, but when you say self-satisfied we – and I think Human beings have for a very long time – interpreted that as an improper condition to be in. To be self-satisfied is to elicit censure from your fellows, right?

Victoria. Oh, because it’s not Christian humility?

Lois. Yeah, yeah, but the very act of taking a dew and conveying this quality almost demands that you question your moral judgement if you will, of self-satisfaction.

Victoria. And your human place in the universe? If a dew is worth as much as a human, if she elevates this little drop, we’re all little drops.

Lois. Yes precisely. Not to jump ahead but that was my takeaway from this whole poem. Planet Earth is my leaf, and I’m a dew.

Harrison. It reminds me of the poem about the aurora borealis [Of Bronze and Blaze the North tonight - J290/Fr319], “I take vaster attitudes and strut upon my stem.” A connection between herself and the northern lights “infects my simple spirit with taints of majesty.”

Lois. Exactly, and you know, for us, it’s not a big pill to swallow. But, in her day, this is likely one of her very subversive poems, of the demand for self-abnegation and humility from the Christian church.

Greg. This poem?

Lois. I mean, by virtue of the fact that she’s almost making it impossible, if you read the poem and smile at the idea of a dew being self-satisfied – she makes you smile, rather than censure No one would censure a dew for being proud, right? You can’t do it. [laughs] So that whole quality of smiling at pride is perhaps one of Dickinson’s underlying efforts in this poem.

Jeff. I just thought it was meant to be humorous, start to finish.

Lois. Well we would today, Jeff. I think we would today.

Greg. I see that now. I didn’t see that.

Jeff. Now, Attested to this Day/ That awful Tragedy – that’s tongue in cheek.

Victoria. I keep thinking of the water cycle, you know? Except, I think we need some clouds and storms at the end.

Jeff. That’s in the third stanza, Or emptied by the Sun/ Into the Sea.

Victoria. But that awful Tragedy of the Dew evaporating in the heat of the sun [laughs],

Harrison. Is the tragedy being Eternally unknown? What is …

Lois Eternally unknown … Well, back up. We haven’t really looked at anything else. Before we go on, though. How does the Dew know that it has satisfied this leaf?

Victoria. Great alliteration there - sufficed itself --/ And satisfied, Leaf, felt, nice!

Lois. To say that it satisfied a leaf there has to be an observer.

Robert. So, she’s the detailed observer of nature. I go out and see the dew in my strawberry patch every morning and think, well, that’s going to satisfy the leaf, because it’s not raining much. The dew is going to get sucked in by the leaf, so I’m appreciating Emily Dickinson the nature observer there. I think some of the philosophizing does have something to do with what happens to the dew – does it get absorbed by the leaf? Does it get evaporated by the sun? Or is it both?

Lois. But, in any case, it as an observable entity is gone. All gone.

Jeff. But I think the Dew is very proud of having satisfied the leaf. That’s’ how I read it.

Lois. Yeah, but the Dew cannot know that it satisfied the leaf. The dew can’t know if the leaf might still be hungry, or want another dew, right? The perspective, right in the second line, is that of the observer. There’s a speaker in this poem, and the speaker has to observe that it satisfied the leaf. When she says A Dew sufficed itself/ And satisfied a Leaf

Harrison. And felt. She’s attributing feelings of self-consciousness.

Lois. Exactly.

Jeff. Yeah, and "How trivial is Life!" is the Dew’s comment on that silly little leaf, because, “My destiny is vast, as a dew drop.” And, it’s this trivial little thing I do for this trivial little leaf. It’s just bursting with false pride.

Lois. With irony? Well, she’s also borrowing from her observation of how we are, is she not?  Which is kind of fun if you hold that thought as you read the poem. She all along is commenting on human behavior. Who hasn’t had some kind of big success at something and thought their destiny vast – not everyone, for sure. Nevertheless it’s an observable human behavior. So then we get away from the leaf, right? And even the exalted emotion of the dew in the first stanza. Then the observer steps back and looks at the world at play, right?

Jeff. Well, that’s the poet now speaking in the second stanza. It’s not the dew any longer.

Lois. The observer.

Jeff. Yeah, because the dew is done.

Harrison. She’s juxtaposing the act of the Dew to enable the leaf – a little action – to a much grander cycle of nature. Like in The blonde assassin passes on/ The Sun proceeds unmoved [ from Apparently with no surprise, J1624/Fr1668] That’s the big picture. The little picture is that the flower gets beheaded.

Lois. That’s a great comparison.

Greg. That really is. So, the dew is a microcosm of all destiny captured in the last lines. We go from the little dew drop, through the cycles of nature as Harrison says, to the unknown. It seems to have a very profound base to me, even though it’s funny, the Dew imagining that it has a vaster destiny, but in a way, it does.

Lois. Exactly. To itself it does, and you know, maybe the speaker is taking on the role of God. The speaker is Dickinson as God, perhaps, because God would take note of the Dew and also, as you’ve so beautifully described, the grander scheme.

Harrison. “His eye is on the sparrow.”

Lois. Yes.

Jedd. Nothing would be Eternally unknown to God, though. That’s the mystery – what happens after we die. Things are over. It’s unknown.

Lois. And she did put a period there. That’s interesting.

Jeff. Lois, I very much appreciate, and I hope you’ll continue doing this, a Cris Miller reference. [Emily Dickinson’s Poems as She Preserved Them, by Cristanne Miller]. That encouraged me to go and look at my brand new shiny Cris Miller, because it’s so accessible now, to see these variants, and the last two lines of this poem go like this. In Transport’s exegesis/ And Hopes necrology.

Lois. Attested to this Day/ That awful Tragedy/ In Transport’s exegesis/ And Hopes necrology.

Greg. What’s necrology, the study of death?

Harrison. Yeah. The records of death. It’s a legal kind of term she’s using here. She’s attesting to something. She’s going against the anonymity of the dew by attesting to its presence. And in one moment she says Transport and Doom. Those are two [inaudible] subjects in her poems. In one she has “The Transport of the Aim.” Transport’s an intense emotion that you get when you have a sudden insight or something.

Jeff. And transport – I’ve read that in both the sense that you’re saying, but all so the sense of transport as the sun vaporizes water, which is what we’ve been talking about – the hydrologic cycle. That’s a kind of transport also, a kind of physical – transporting – moving.

Victoria. It’s awesome, once you get the idea of it. This whole thing, this system that’s set up for us.

Lois. For some reason I keep thinking of that poem where she ends up saying “Soto, explore thyself!” To me, that’s so self-revelatory, in that exploring herself was part of the reason for some of the themes that we see recurring. And I keep asking, what is there in this poem that might divulge some of what she’s saying of self-awareness. Do we learn anything about ourself in this poem? Or, can we say if Dickinson is learning anything about herself as she writes this poem?

Jeff. It certainly contains that thought, Soto, examine thyself. That first stanza’s all about that, I think. The two words there, A Dew sufficed itself/ And satisfied a Leaf, the two words are synonyms, basically. “I’m enough, and I did enough for the leaf. I’m such an ego that, whatever that leaf needed, I satisfied that leaf, I took care of it.”

Harrison. That sounds orgasmic. “Are you satisfied?” [laughter]

Lois. [laughing] That’s right. It’s like, “Mission accomplished!”

Robert. I wonder if you could read this poem as an ironical statement of the pathetic fallacy, looking at dew and then leaping to the deep philosophical lessons that you get from observing dew, and doing it all tongue-in-cheek. “Please don’t try to leap to deep philosophical conclusions from observations of nature.]

Harrison. Reductio ad absurdum.

Lois. Right, except that there’s so much there! It is a joke, if you want to take it just as a joke, but it also touches on some of the most difficult assignments that we have as humans looking at the big picture as opposed to our tiny little tyrannies.

Harrison. I agree, it’s a very serious poem. It’s fun, but it’s serious.

Greg. She uses this short meter and alliteration to capture this very playful tone, which seems to contrast, in a way at least, with the subject matter. That’s kind of a signature of hers, too.

Robert. The poem resonated with me with A spider sewed at night. There’s the word Physiognomy, but also the philosophizing from minute observation.

Lois. She put A Dew sufficed first on this unbound sheet, before she added The Spider as an Artist, and Winter is good. I often wonder if some of these thoughts that are conveyed poetically are the result of an intention that she brought with her in that observation, or if, in observing it, she feels confronted by what she sees of human experience in these close-up looks at things that are all around her.

Victoria. I bet it works both ways. Sometimes it works one way and she has it inside of her and it’s captured in that one incident, or the other way around. She’d see the dew and she’d see the whole world in it – all the tragedy – that dew drying up and losing all the color and the sparkle of it.

Lois. And observing her own response to that, saying, why do I see a tragedy here? … when nobody else does [laughs]. So, it’s fun to play with.

Victoria. I wonder if that kind of expression was so common in her as she was relating to her brother, her sister, and they would say, “Oh, that’s just Emily.” And maybe that’s why they were dismissive of her writing life. It was probably a blessing that she had Sue and she had Mable who didn’t do that. Because, they had that in them, too. They didn’t have the genius, but they could connect to that in her.

Harrison. Helen Hunt Jackson

Victoria. Oh, yes, right, of course, yeah.

Lois. The next poem to me is just pure music.

Robert. The second stanza’s not in Franklin, why is that?

Lois. That is interesting. All I know is, it appeared in four stanzas on the unbound sheet. Now, Franklin may have had some kind of information that caused him to leave it out. [There are three manuscripts, two fair copies and one semifinal packet copy. (Johnson variorum)]

Greg. Is it the third stanza that’s missing?

Robert. The second stanza is missing in 1104.

Lois. If you will all indulge me, I’m going to read this poem.
The Cricket sang
And set the sun
And Workmen finished, one by one
Their seam the Day upon.
The Bee had perished from the Scene
And distant as an Order done
And doubtful as report upon
The Multitudes of Noon -

The low Grass loaded with the Dew,
The Twilight stood as Strangers do
With Hat in Hand, polite and new,
To stay as if, or go -

A vastness, as a neighbor, came -
A wisdom without face or name -
A peace, as hemispheres at home
And so the night became -

                        - J1104/Fr1104/M493

[Hear Lois read this poem at https://youtu.be/7vo_3yj4m9I]

I don’t know what you could say about it that she hasn’t said. Now, in this poem, the elements of nature are not imbued with self-reflection. The speaker remains in tact throughout this poem as far as I have observed. Now of course the playfulness of the cricket setting the sun, if we get analytical, is probably part of the magic. But the cricket, the bee, the grass – she chooses the three elements to describe the sunset, but she doesn’t remain at sunset. It’s not just a pure observation of a sunset. There’s a movement involved, isn’t there, a progression.

Jeff. Transport. Yes.

Lois. There’s that word again.

Jeff. I’ve always loved that image, The twilight leaned as strangers do/ With hat in hand, polite and new,/ To stay as if, or go. It’s just delightful. This poem is so calming. There’s no sense of any kind of conflict in it – any kind of absurdity or BS. It just builds to this vastness and wisdom and peace.

Lois. Yet, she pulls on our collective emotion and our collective observation of workmen and as you say, strangers with hat in hand. Now there she treats humility with real reverence.

Jeff. Yes! That’s right! Yeah. These are people without any pretention.

Lois. The Bee had perished, but there’s nothing sad.

Victoria. It was just time for the bee to go. [laughter] The day is done. God’s orders are over for today.

Harrison. And the last line is, the night became, not the night began or anything.

Jeff. It loves that word, because, it operates on more than one level. It became night is conventional; it turns into something. But it’s almost as if it’s an archaic way of saying to become. It be-came. It’s almost an Anglo-Saxon way of saying “to have come.” It just feels that way, I don’t know if it really …

Lois. Well, she plays with the element of time here, and paints this picture of when you’re enjoying the sunset and all of a sudden you find you’re in the dark. It’s like, “Oh, when did it get dark?”

Harrison. “How it set I know not.”

Jeff. It’s got the abruptness of that wonderful poem, This quiet Dust. It’s just going on about life until that very last line, and then there’s an abruptness, “And cease, like these.”

Lois. Exactly, and you can’t make that sunset last any longer, no matter how much you’re loving it.

Victoria. I don’t get that feeling from that last line – that abruptness. With the word became, it seems to me that it’s like the lovely letting out of the last breath of day, and the night became, and the day melts into the night. I think she might have put a period there if she wanted to. I don’t get A vastness, as a neighbor, came.

Harrison. She’s embracing the normality of this vastness that comes with darkness. It’s as familiar as a neighbor.

Victoria. Oh, I see – familiar, and unthreatening, as the dark descends.

Jeff. And it also stands in contrast to the strangers, which is kind of interesting. The Twilight stood as Strangers do. You know, a stranger stands in your house with hat in hand, but the vastness brings it back to this more restful … unthreatening … familiar….

Lois. Well I’m glad you said that about the vastness, because I was thinking that this was a purely Dickinson experience that a neighbor, or any human being, would be so vast. That’s part of why she became more reclusive, because she felt the vastness in every person. I like your reading of it.

Victoria. You mean like the complexity of each person? My interaction with each person would be overwhelming.

Lois. Yes, overwhelming. Because her perception is so much more sensitive. I mean, we all need each other, so we sort of condition ourselves, right? to interact on a pretty surface level. But Dickinson refused to do that, but the flip side of that was that she was forever picking up on vibes that were bigger.

Victoria. But, your interpretation I don’t think really fits here.

Lois. It may not. That’s why I say I’m glad to hear Harrison’s reading, but I just wanted to share that because that’s how I’ve always, always heard this. Like this vastness, like every human being to me

Greg. Well, listen to this other usage of it in the poem, The Mountains stood in Haze - / The Valleys stopped below; it’s a similar description. The last verse is
So soft upon the Scene
The Act of evening fell
We felt how neighborly a Thing
Was the Invisible.

Lois. That’s a great comparison. [general agreement]

Harrison. What’s the number of that one?

Greg. 1225 [Franklin]

Victoria. You know, this is a time when there weren’t street lights, and people didn’t have all of this ambient light, so you could really observe the whole process of each day ending on a summer day, and that light, especially at the end of the day when the crickets were singing, would be a real gift. It’s always really hard for me to imagine, myself, when I try to project back in time to what it was like here with no street lights , and the quietness! You’d here a little bit of clip-clopping along the dirt roads. You wouldn’t hear engines, or cars. You might have heard the cow mooing in the barn and things like that, but it was so much quieter.

Harrison. [sings lines from “Love’s Old Sweet Song] Just a song at twilight, when the lights are low/ And the flickering shadows softly come and go.

Lois. Who wrote that?

Harrison. It’s an old standard folk song.

Lovely. Well, I don’t hear it now, but as a child, when we would visit aunts and uncles on the farm, you’d go to bed with the windows open, and even then, because we always lived in the city, going to the country - there were street lights, but they were way off, and to go to sleep listening to the crickets – it’s just a different experience altogether.

Victoria. Didn’t Woody Allen make a comment somewhere that he didn’t like going to the country because the crickets were so noisy they drove him crazy? [laughter]

[interlude]

Jeff. She’s describing a momentary feeling, but I’m sure everyone has had it, a summer’s evening, when you get that sense of vastness, and [inaudible], and peace. It’s just in the air – and it goes quickly. But, it’s one of those human experiences where it would be really hard to explain what it is about that moment that grips us so much. It’s like those mysterious moments in music – they’re just as deep in you as anything can get. In that case it’s sounds. What’s doing that?

Victoria. Ancient, ancient stuff there I think, embedded in our DNA. Our deepest human response.

Robert. I was experiencing this poem as something that would work with my three-year-old granddaughter. The sense that the crickets sang, and the crickets are setting the sun, and the workmen are sewing up the day. It’s a kind of reversal of causation, where the crickets are putting things to bed and the workmen are putting things to bed.

Greg. What are hemispheres at home gran’pa? [general hilarity]

Robert. [As to a child] Really, I’m so glad you asked that question. In your home you experience the whole world. The hemispheres, the whole world, comes into your home.

Greg. Thank You!

Lois. That’s a nice reading.

Greg. Yes, I really didn’t get that, so … I thought of another poem where the neighbor is  more like what you [Lois] were describing - What mystery pervades a well! The rest of that first verse is
That water lives so far —
A neighbor from another world
Residing in a jar
That’s more like the way you were first reading it, isn’t it? It’s more mysterious. That’s a different kind of a neighbor.

Harrison. The water cycle.


Thursday, June 23, 2016

Emily Dickinson International Society, Amherst Chapter, 28May2016

Emily Dickinson International Society, Amherst Chapter  Poetry Conversation
Facilitated by Lois Kackley
28 May 2016


Robert reads.
Not with a Club, the Heart is broken
Nor with a Stone --
A Whip so small you could not see it
I've known

To lash the Magic Creature
Till it fell,
Yet that Whip's Name
Too noble then to tell.

Magnanimous as Bird
By Boy descried --
Singing unto the Stone
Of which it died --

Shame need not crouch
In such an Earth as Ours --
Shame -- stand erect --
The Universe is yours. 
                   J1304/Fr1349/M517

[To hear this poem read aloud, go to https://youtu.be/9gSjmoC1ijI ]

Robert. It’s a Donald Trump poem.

Lois. How so?

Robert. He’s an expert in wielding the club of shame - an expert in wielding the club of belittlement.

Would you like to expand on that thought a little?

Robert. Well, it’s a vehicle of attack that you don’t notice like a club, or a stone. It’s diminishment of being through shaming, and lashing another being in a manner that shames, but doing it in a way that it’s hard to identify exactly what he is doing.

Lois. You mean where the shame is coming from?

Robert. The vehicle of attack is shaming the other person, but that Whip's Name/ Too noble then to tell – it’s hard to identify how he’s wielding that whip, the whip of shame.

Harrison. The whip is apparently small and seemingly insignificant, but it’s very powerful – from the repetition. That fits Trump very well.

Lois. So who’s the voice in this poem? Is it logical? Are there two speakers?

Harrison. I think it’s one speaker.

Lois. The whipee or the whipper?

Robert. The heart.

Harrison. It could be a third person. It could be neither the whipper or the whippee, but an observer. Kind of the angry taunt of a satirist, perceiving nefarious activity and describing it.

Lois. So you see it as a rather intellectual examination a victimizer and a victim …

Harrison. Yes. The word “shame” is key.

Lois. I think so too. I’d like to hear different thoughts on why that’s true – why shame is so key.

Harrison. One thing that’s ambiguous [inaudible] shame has two meanings. It describes a feeling that one gets from being embarrassed or exposed, and shame as a characterization of the activity itself. It’s shameful, the things that Trump does. It makes people feel ashamed. As in, “What a pity! What a shame!”

Robert. What beautiful irony in the last two lines. Shame -- stand erect --/ The Universe is yours.

Lois. I was going to hold off a little bit, in order to explore this experience that’s being described, but since you brought it up, I think we can assume that there’s a major transformation taking place in this poem by the time you get to the end. If the speaker is the one being shamed, then the final verse records quite a change in experience. Right?

Robert. I’m not sure.

Victoria. I had a problem when I got to Magnanimous as Bird/ By Boy descried --/ Singing unto the Stone/ Of which it died – I really couldn’t decipher that one.

Greg. The boy spies a bird, throws a stone at it – but the bird keeps singing. It’s a shameful thing that she’s seeing, and it’s poignant because the bird keeps singing.

Victoria. So it’s the bird that is being magnanimous in the situation of being stoned.

Greg. Yes. It’s anthropomorphizing.

Lois. Well, that in itself, I mean, to use that word, implies a shift from shame to something quite the opposite.

Greg. It’s the boy that has acted shamefully. [general agreement].

Victoria. The bird is like a martyr.

Harrison. Turning the other cheek.

Victoria. Yes. So, if one has one’s heart broken, in the Christian sense turning the other cheek and remaining loving, and not spiteful or vengeful. But as Judith was saying, in the last stanza there’s a sense of strength in that, which is what the Christian message was. Even if you’re not turning the other cheek, it’s with the power of that metaphor of turning the other cheek as you’re …

Greg. … being thrown to the lions.

Lois. Well, a lot has been written – and I’ve heard discussed over the years, of Dickinson creating a “space”. Within that space, different elements that don’t normally line up are put in place. I’d just like to – it helped me – to look at this poem in that light, where we’ve got what some would call prismatic elements – broken, Whip, tell, died, and then crouched. Those all – it doesn’t stretch our ability to follow the narrative that far, right? It’s just when we get to words like erect, and The Universe is yours, that we realize that something has gone on in this space that Dickinson has created where she’s asking us to get into – looking at this new space, as if the heart were a place where the self recognized its affinity with this bird. If we take it strictly from the standpoint that she’s re-written the gospel we can keep it on an intellectual level. But if you look at the poem more as a space that she created to describe an experience …

Victoria. If you look at it in that way, then the space is the universe. When she says in the last line that The Universe is yours, that opens it all up, and there are no constrictions on the heart, there’s no way …

Lois. … very antithetical to the line right before it, where Shame need not crouch. But I think to experience the poem fully, you have to get into that space where crouching and shame are the experiences that she’s attempting to get us to feel., and re-examine. Am I making any sense?

Harrison. Yeah. This person is experiencing shame [ inaudible ]

Lois. In other words, if you can come through it –

Victoria. Yeah.

Lois. If you can come through it, the universe will be yours, but she just opposes the extraordinary opposite of feeling that the universe is yours – that is the absolute opposite of crouching in shame, is it not? [general agreement] But she’s taken it out of an intellectual realm of what it takes to be a Christian, or how to be a good person [laughs] right? You can just make a list. Dickinson makes lists, but she makes lists of elements that aren’t easily absorbed in the same thought experience – in the same poem experience.

Harrison. What bothers me is that I absolutely agree with what you’re saying, the role of shame in this poem being reassured that, get through it and the universe will be yours … on the other hand, you can take the other definition of shame, which is the act of doing it, then the it’s the boy that owns the universe, not the victim

Lois. So you’re taking the word shame as active, the person doing the shaming.

Harrison. That kind of bullying is shameful, “what a shame.” There are all these horrible things going on in the world, and she’s saying they’re going to win out. On the one hand she’s saying they’re not going to win out, at the same time she’s saying that they are. … hard to tell which one to accept.

Robert. The tone of the poem, for me, is deeply pessimistic. Shame need not crouch in this world. Shame can stand erect, because someone who knows how to manipulate shame … [general expressions of sudden enlightenment]

Lois. Oh for heaven’s sake.

Buleigh. I’m leaning that way too. I think she’s shaming shame, saying don’t bother to crouch, go ahead and stand up. I think that maybe the whip is shame, and that she’s been shamed.

Lois. Am I hearing you describe this poem as a parody of an egomaniac?

Robert. No, I think I experience this poem as maybe somewhat ironical but as a rather dark commentary on the role that shame plays in the world.

Lois. How can anything be any darker than shame? If what you’re saying is true, she’s going a step beyond the experience of shame, and exalting it. [several disagree, and say that she’s shaming shame rather than exalting it.]

Burleigh. Think of that first line, Not with a Club, but almost barely perceivable. Shame can be just in a look. It doesn’t even have to be spoken.

Lois. But the recipient has to be fertile ground for shame to let a look create that …

Jeff. The lines that no one’s talked about and that I lite on are lines 7 and 8. Yet that Whip's Name/ Too noble then to tell. She’s saying the whip’s name is noble?

Lois. The Magic Creature is too noble to tell the name of the whip. That’s how I read it.

Victoria. Yeah.

Lois. Which is so Dickinsonian it’s not even funny.

Victoria. Right.

Burleigh. That’s curious, what you point out.

Lois. If anything’s being exalted here, it’s the human heart that gets whipped – in the guise of this bird that got destroyed by the boy. And that’s another thing, you know. The boy. She could have said that some rich billionaire threw a stone at this bird. That would be a totally different narrative, right? But she doesn’t’. There’s a certain innocence even in the source of the injury.

Jeff. Yeah, I just can’t see this as Donald Trump at all. To me, he’s the guy with the club. She’s talking about this subtle whip that is too fine even to see.

Lois. Exactly

Greg. “She dealt her pretty words like blades.”

Lois. Yeah

Ellen . It can be like gossip, too.

Lois. Yeah, it can. That’s exactly the point. You can’t narrow it down to one …

Jeff. And if line 8 is anything like the way I read it, the whip’s name is Too noble then to tell – nothing – I mean Donald Trump is zero.

Greg. I like what Lois said, that the Magic Creature is too noble to tell the name of the whip.

Jeff. Oh, I see.

Greg. That’s what makes sense to me, though syntactically it’s pretty deceiving.

Lois. That’s a perfect example of how she has this space, where she doesn’t want to rely on the syntax that you might take for granted. She wants you to feel the parts being played.

[interlude]

Jeff. That’s a dark line, In such an Earth as Ours, It’s not all good here.

Harrison. It reminds me of her poem, Apparently with no surprise, where the flower is decapitated by the frost “In accidental power.

Victoria. “For an approving God.”

Lois. In thinking of your response to the poem, “shaming shame,” I’ve heard it said that, as a quick response to this poem, some people read it as “I’m proud of not being ashamed of myself.”

[inaudible]

Judith. When it says The Magic Creature too noble to tell [inaudible] its name. I see that as her not only rising above the experience of shame; she rises above the shamer.

Lois. But its an internal rising above. It’s not something you talk about over the breakfast table.

Harrison. “Where the meanings are.”

Lois. “Where the meanings are,” precisely. But it changes your life. That’s why I said at the beginning, I think this poem describes a transformational experience. Now, the blessed college professor who introduced me to Dickinson said this poem was about a boy that killed a bird. [general amusement]. And, you know, I just really didn’t say anything, but, I didn’t really buy it. ….I think the reason this poem works is that there’s this discrete narrative that we can identify with. In fact we identify so much with the narrative, I think, even though it is within this internal space, that it’s easy to overlook the emotional meaning that she undertakes to describe.

Judith. What I wonder is, was this last stanza here in the original poem. In one place I looked the poem did not include this last stanza. That was in the 1924 edition.

Greg. Oh, they just took it out. That’s why

Judith. Or, did she go back and write it later?

Lois. In the 1924 edition, it was highly edited. They took out things they didn’t think were fitting.

Ellen. Is there any evidence that she ever went back to the fascicles and changed any of them?

Greg. Yes. Even years later – different writing implements’ – changed penmanship – Yes. The question that Judith raises is that there might be a copy of a second version of this poem. We’d have to check the variorum for that.

[interlude]

Harrison. It [the final stanza] kind of reminds me of Donne’s Death be not Proud. Shame do not crouch. Death thou must die, and shame thou must be shamed.

Lois. Death as Donne wrote about it (I haven’t read a lot of Donne) – I think the significance is some of the poignancy in this poem is in this internal universe, and the self-discovery through the heart’s recovery – its own identity and its own nature. If we had another hour it would be fun to talk about what precipitated the addition of that last verse.

Jeff. Can I ask you a question about Cris’ new book? [Emily Dickinson’s Poems as She Preserved Them, by Cristanne Miller] Does that contain every version of every poem? Because, I looked up the poem Sweet hours have perished here/ This is a timid room, and she has one of the versions in there, but I couldn’t find the other version – This is a mighty room.

Harrison. She puts in the version that she believes Dickinson last preserved.

Lois. She explains some of that, if you grab a copy, some of the finer points of what she put in. If she had put in every version of every poem, you couldn’t have gotten it in here. That’s why the variorum is three volumes, I guess.

[Robert reads the poem again]

Robert. I just want to say, I experienced a slight change in intonation based on our discussion.

Lois. You know, I just noticed too, Jeff, in that too noble then, I think that word “then” is what tips us off to it, linguistically, the Magic Creature being the one that’s too noble.

Greg. Yeah, that’s a good point.

Lois. It puts it in a kind of reflective state.

Harrison. Too noble then to tell, therefore too noble to tell.

Lois. Alright. On the next poem.

Ellen. We should all look at a picture of a bobolink before reading it.

Victoria. I listened to the bobolink’s song. There are two men who have done a series of films that record the bobolink. They have such a remarkable song. It’s not just one. It changes.

[Ellen plays bobolinks songing on her phone]

Victoria. I think we don’t have so many bobolinks now, because we don’t have so many open meadows. That’s what they like. Now we’re more aware that bobolinks nest in the ground – in pastures – so now some farmers are waiting to mow until the middle of July so they can be sure the fledglings have gone.

Judith reads:
The Way to know the Bobolink
From every other Bird
Precisely as the Joy of him-
Obliged to be inferred.

Of impudent Habiliment
Attired to defy,
Impertinence subordinate
At times to Majesty.

Of Sentiments seditious
Amenable to Law-
As Heresies of Transport
Or Puck’s Apostacy.

Extrinsic to Attention
Too intimate with Joy-
He compliments existence
Until allured away

By Seasons or his Children-
Adult and urgent grown-
Or unforeseen aggrandizement
Or, happily, Renown-

By Contrast certifying
The Bird of Birds is gone-
How nullified the Meadow-
Her Sorcerer withdrawn!

                             - J1279/Fr1348/M516

[ To hear this poem read aloud, go to https://youtu.be/3t1h_1SAEu4

Robert. No boy’s going to descry that bird. [general amusement]

[?]  Habiliment. I’ve never heard that word before.

Harrison. Clothing, attire.

Lois. Alright. We’re talking about an outer appearance in the first couple of stanzas, right? The first hint we get of an internal condition is with the word impertinent.

Greg. What about Joy? Isn’t that an internal condition?

Harrison. Obliged to be inferred.

Robert. From the song.

Lois. Yeah, this is a better example of these elements within the – there’s not a description of a bird out in a field, or what he’s doing, or where he’s going, right? We’re asked to know a bobolink.

Burleigh. I was just looking at the line Attired to defy, and I think about how Dickinson attired herself to defy. [general amusement]

Ellen. It’s only the males that are attired to defy. The females are drab.

Judith. But she’s cross-gender! [laughter]

Jeff. This reminds me of her description of Austen, especially that poem about the Jay – No brigadier throughout the year/ So civic as the jay, and she’s really talking about Austen. It has that same sense that it’s sort of her hero. That one was way late, too. I think maybe he was already into the affair with Mabel Todd when she wrote that.

Greg. I’m glad you mentioned that poem, too, because these poems about birds often have this playful language in them. It’s almost like she’s trying to capture something about the bird. She’s obviously having fun with language in this poem. She’s having fun with the words themselves. She does that in that poem and I think to some extent One of the ones that Midas touched, about the oriole, and Before you thought of Spring, about the bluebird. They all have that …

Don. Well the birdcalls do that.

Jeff. As a matter of fact, the very last stanza here, it is like the last stanza in the Jay poem
His Character — a Tonic —
His future — a Dispute —
Unfair an Immortality
That leaves this Neighbor out —

That sounds so much like
How nullified the Meadow-
Her Sorcerer withdrawn!
Victoria. There’s a lot of legal language in this poem. Seditious, to law, heresies,

Jeff. Right – subordinate, impertinence,

Victoria. Nullified, contract …

Lois. So, she’s commenting on someone, something. What do we gather? What is the comment? In the other poem she’s sort of poking fun at Austen. Is she poking fun in this poem? I agree that it does have a similar tone. Do we want to explore the source of her amusement? ….. impudent Habiliment – I’m trying to think of what someone could have on that I would find impudent.

Greg. Something really inappropriate

Lois. The styles today are quite impudent [laughing] now that I think about it. Attired to defy, it’s like every generation, we look at their clothes, and it’s a defiance, isn’t it.

Burleigh. Mable [Mable Loomis Todd] was attired to defy when she wore black. … What does Puck’s apostasy mean to people? I have no clue.

Robert. A fairy in A Midsummer Night’s Dream – he defied traditions and just went his own way, lighthearted and independent.

Lois. Heresies of transport . Apparently she saw something in the way the bobolink flitted about that reminded her of …

Jeff. You know, this poem – and I’m sure that, among the guides, the people who saw THAT FILM [A pre-screening of Terence Davies’ A Quiet Passion], a couple of weeks ago – is one exhibit among thousands of how wrong that film got her. Her sense of humor and her delight in the world around her. First of all, I think she just loved that name, bobolink. The language of that word is just wonderful. It just gets her off on – it’s a gas – and that’s what’s going on here. And, that film portrayed her as this tortured individual who really couldn’t make up her mind without the help of some screwball from the hills, Miss Buffam – Oh, don’t let me get started. [laughter]

Victoria. I agree with you, Jeff. I think it’s just a Puckish, playful …
Some keep the Sabbath going to Church --
I keep it, staying at Home --
With a Bobolink for a Chorister --
And an Orchard, for a Dome
Playful, fantastic, fantasizing language.

Lois. So, Extrinsic to Attention – What do you think of that? I take it to mean totally numb to attention. Totally indifferent. Joy being too interior a thing for him to be concerned about what he looks like.

Greg. That’s a good description of herself.

Lois. Aha! Aha! [general amusement] …. He compliments existence/ Until allured away. What does that mean?

Ellen. He puts a flourish on everything.

Victoria. Enhances … he just makes life a whole lot better. When you hear her poems she makes life a whole lot better. She’s our little bobolink. 

Ellen. Is it possible, given the erratic spelling back then, that she meant complement with and “e” as opposed to an “I”

Someone. Could be.

Lois. By Seasons or his Children. Until allured away/ By Seasons, right?

Harrison. Or unforeseen aggrandizement/ Or, happily, Renown-. In other words, he stops singing when he’s lured away. One of the things he can be lured away by is fame.

Lois. Aha! [general acknowledgement]

Jeff. The language throughout this us French-derived Romance. The words are formality, and aggrandizement is the granddad of them all. It’s just a series of these pretentious words. Seditious, impudent, habiliment, impertinence, just one after the other, you know, for its obvious effect.

Lois. So, does this last stanza carry through with this description of this perfectly delightful element in life? And we have a little hint from Harrison that the Renown has gotten the attention of this bobolink.

Greg. The last two lines of the poem about the oriole are Behold his lost Aggrandizement/ Upon the Apple Tree. [One of the ones that Midas touched Fr1488]

Robert. Those last three lines are like a memorial service.
The Bird of Birds is gone-
How nullified the Meadow-
Her Sorcerer withdrawn

Harrison. Elegic.

Lois. So, are you hearing that one of the ways to know the bobolink is not only by his multiple characteristics, but by how different things are when it’s gone.

Robert. I guess that’ll be true every moment, yeah.

Lois. That would be true of humans, too, right?

Greg. Yeah, because the joy is inferred. That kind of brings the human being’s reaction into the picture.


Robert. Following up on Victoria’s comment – it is interesting - we don’t actually see bobolinks around much but I went on a paddle some time ago and we came upon this big meadow on an island, and it was covered with bobolinks. I stayed here for an hour or two, it was such an exciting experience. The absence of it speaking from that direction.